Audio production by Todd “Toddtastic” Hulslander with deep, brooding glances from Dacia Clay.

Music we used in this episode:

– Ludwig van Beethoven, Symphony No. 7 in A major, Op. 92, 2nd movement

Also, I couldn’t help noticing that during our conversation, Wes and I started to sound a little like “NPR’s Delicious Dish”:

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